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Friday, June 08, 2007

Photoshopping is evil. Discuss.

Our dear friend Iksodas has written a very stimulating post on his blog, about the digital enhancement of photographic images using Photoshop. Please read it here (his 6th June post)

Iksodas is one of those rare breeds of photographers who is so incredibly talented, that he doesn’t actually need Photoshop. He can make my old Aunty Aggie look good naked, without any Photoshopping whatsoever (and that’s a pretty tall order I can tell you), through talented use of lighting, shadow and posing her in a subtle and seductive manner, so as to show off her genuine beauty, whilst hiding her less flattering features, such as her big hairy moustache (Note: not that Iksodas has not actually photographed my Aunty Aggie, but I’m sure he’d rise to the challenge magnificently, if I asked him).

He argues that extensive photoshopping an image of a model “creates a fiction far divorced from reality” and “Enhancement, and misrepresentation of the female form is a bit of an evil in our culture. One, that affects many women in this world, and not in a good way”.

Good points of course, but I respectively disagree (which is rare for me, because we usually agree on everything).

My view ?

Photoshop can be the modern form of paint. It is as much an art-form, as photography in its own way.

Richard shoots models “as is”, and won’t photoshop them, other than removal of a few wrinkles and the odd bit of cellulite. Like Iksodas, he treats it as a betrayal of learning photographic principles, and believes Photoshop is uneccessary, and can be an an example of poor photographic technique.

Richard, is however, extremely good at Photoshop. He has run classes on the subject. He is, actually (in my opinion) as gifted a Photoshopper as he is a photographer. I have seen him morph multiple images of several landscapes together to make a new landscape together, which is extremely beautiful, but a work of total fiction. There was no such landscape in reality. Does this make it any less "art"?

Way before digital computing was invented, even Ansel Adams modified his images during the printing process to make the image what he wanted it to be, other than what it actually was. The result of this process was fantastic art.

The modern method of doing this technique would be through use of Photoshop. Not that most people who use Photoshop are as good at art as Ansel Adams, but my point is that modification of photographs can be beautiful, even if they are not real. Modification of images of people should not be treated any less as an art-form than modification of landscapes or backgrounds.

I would also argue that good use of subtle lighting (without Photoshop), can make a model look beautiful, but this is just as much a misrepresentation as a photoshopped image. You are still portraying the woman (through the clever use of lighting) as other than she really is, by not displaying her most unflattering bits, or placing certain parts of the body in shadow.

ALL photos displayed over the web are processed to some degree.
There is no such thing as a completely undoctored digital photograph.
All nude photography can be argued to be fiction to a greater or lesser extent.

As to whether or not these images are misrepresentation, all modelling photos portray a fantasy - it’s what they are supposed to do, to stimulate the imagination of the viewer.

Fiction ? Yes, certainly. But is misrepresentation like this a bad thing ?

Like any art form, when done badly, digital enhancement sucks. You can get crappy photoshoppers as well as crappy photographers (and usually both together). But when it’s done well, it can make the woman look like a million dollars, boost her ego and make her feel like the sexiest woman on the planet.

So do I feel bad about my images being enhanced? No.
If my images are photoshopped, it makes me feel better about myself. I’m 40 years old for chrissake. I’m no spring chicken, and the majority of photographers I know are not talented enough (unlike Iksodas) to make me look good naked, without either some form of photoshopping, or shooting me in total darkness. Unless I shoot with an absolutely amazing photographer, I NEED digital modification, otherwise I look like some sort of ancient she-hag. My poor fragile little ego couldn’t take it if there were “real raw” pictures of me all over the internet….part of the reason I shoot so little and post so few images. I’m just not that attractive a model, and I’m extremely insecure about my looks. I model because the images convince me that I am actually beautiful, no matter that I think I look like in reality.

Iksodas observes “So, the next time you open Pshop, are you correcting your Photographic mistakes, or feeding the monster?”

I like my monster, it’s part of who I am.

And if the images of me are part fantasy, part reality, I can live with that.



Sirensong. She loved this image.
I know we have posted this before (sorry folks) but it goes with the post.

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9 Comments:

Blogger Iksodas said...

Lin:

From my reading (not gauranteed accurate, or complete, just to the best of my sometimes limited knowledge!), Adams used the digital process to do what he always did in the darkroom: dodge/burn and coax out what was already there in his negative. He did not make the mountains taller, or the valleys deepter.

That is what a good printmaker does, coax out what is already there.

For example, lets use something as simple as an edge (or line) of an object..

tweaking the contrast in a way to make the edge more or less prominent, is one thing, moving the line, is crossing the line.

Crossing what line? The line between photography, and graphic art/illustration. Each is fine, but, the line that is crossed, is one tries to call an illustration a photograph..

The shot you posted. nice, interesting, and fun, But what if you swore up and down that Richard swore that is what he saw in the view finder?

That, is what I was talking about, what you posted, is obviously illustration, and does not pretend to be a photograph..

Friday, June 08, 2007 11:54:00 AM  
Blogger mnmjr. said...

I'm not going into the photoshop argument because it's basically a straw man for a lot of issues that photographers have.

What I really don't understand is where you get this idea that you're some sort of horrific medusa that nobody could find beauty in. It always confuses me when you write this sort of thing.

Is it just because you're 40? The best model I've ever worked with was 41 when I met her and is 46 now...And people all over are JEALOUS that I've gotten to work with her twice. I photographed a model who was 54 last year and her images turned out to be more powerful and lasting than any of the "pretty young girls" I'd shot before her.

Dosen't the fact that a lot of people [myself included] find you beautiful and compelling mean anything? Who's standards of beauty are you judging yourself against? One thing I pride myself on is being able to see what's beautiful about every woman/person I encounter. I have my list of things about you, but shan't go into them here.

I confess it makes me sad to think that you wouldn't work with me if we had a chance -- my photoshop skills are rudimentary at best [I can dodge, burn, resize and clone a little] making most of my images pretty true to what was in front of me at the time. Would you really not trust me to make beautiful images with the skillset I have at hand?

I'd really like to see you write a post on what you consider "beautiful" and why...It might explain a lot...and not just to your readers.

Friday, June 08, 2007 12:43:00 PM  
Blogger Lin said...

Melvin,

As I've stated previously, I would LOVE the chance to shoot with you.
You're one of maybe 4 or 5 photographers in the world I would trust to do a damn fine job, without Photoshop, without anything apart from your talent. Iksodas is another.
But you are both exceptional photographers, and most of the photographers I have met, aren't as good as you (because they don't have the practise, the talent, the inner artist, the vision, the courage to look beneath the wrapping etc).

You have seen pictures of me that Rich has taken, and he portrays me in a flattering light (or lighting). I have facial defomity (paralysis due to tumor), which makes most people cringe when they initally look at me. For example, I've had a model walk through the door last week, and visibly flinch when she met me. Poor girl didn't know where to look.

Yes I look beautiful in my photos. But that's because Richard brings it out (and because I won't let him shoot me face-on). As Dan says, I am in the grip of the monster.

I'm sure you would both bring out my inner beauty too (and no doubt better), but that doesn't change the reaction of the average person in the street when they first meet me.

But as to what is beauty?
Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It is subjective.
You, Richard and Dan would find me beautiful, but then you are exceptionally insightful people, as well as gifted photographers.

Friday, June 08, 2007 1:00:00 PM  
Blogger mnmjr. said...

Now you're making me mad.

Are you really going to judge yourself according to the "beauty standards" of "average" [eg: mediocre and uninspired] people who can't be bothered to know you?

Not to sound elitist [too late!] but those "average people in the street" are the same fools who gave us Paris Hilton, American Idol, McDonald's and George W. Bush. The Last thing I'll be looking to them for is the definition of beauty.

As for the model who cringed when she saw your face, I'm a bit dissapointed that Rich would work with someone so shallow and clueless. I'd have shown her the door quick.

As for your face...Well if we ever shoot, I hope that you'll trust me to see all of you.

Friday, June 08, 2007 1:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Gommit said...

Lovely Lin,

Point one.
As someone who's been your buddy for 23 years...
You were gorgeous when we first became friends. You are gorgeous now. You will still be gorgeous in 40 years time. End of story. Lady Tottington (soon to be Mrs Grommit) completely agrees with me.

Point 2
Any visual art is representation - RE-presentation, to RE-present again what has been observed before. I find the whole distinction between photography and any other visual art form to be a silly illusion. You can no more take a good photo without composition, observation and considered RE-presenting than you can write a good novel without forming a plot. The whole photoshop bit is a red herring. Every form of visual art since cave art has been about embelishing, shifting form and shape to create an image with a purpose. Whether that purpose be the recording of tribal tales in cave art or the recording of how one person sees another in art nudes, it is the same purpose. The creator's mind, imagination and thought guide the process to tell a story of how they feel. None of it has anything to do with 'reality'. If you want reality, take measurements; art is about emotion, reality has got stuff all to do with it. Composition by careful placing of lights or photoshoped alterations - same thing just different tools and the blessing of an undo button.

Point 3
Beauty does not exist outside of thought and feeling. It has no power over us beyond that which we give it. A beatiful photo of you, my lovely friend, is a recording of the beauty observed in the photographers eye. Anyone who genuinely knows you will find you beautiful.

Isn't it nice to know how many people find you gorge? So what if some silly airhead flinched? I find the well placed blown raspberry has the most amazing effect at dispelling such stupidity.

Repeat point 1 ad infinitum until it sinks in please.

Saturday, June 09, 2007 12:55:00 PM  
Blogger bt said...

Semantics schymantics!! A photograph is a photograph..is a photograph...PERIOD!! Who is the authority to determine at what point the photograph no longer is a photograph? Dodging burning?..Solarization?..removal of a pimple? (all of these can be accomplished in the darkroom and with Photoshop). Maybe only a Polaroid is a true photograph eh?

Photographic art is exactly that...A CREATION KIDS!! This is not photojournalism.

When we buy a CD..do we consider the music on the CD to be something other than music (and not real music) because it contains fake echo?...or duel guitar parts when there is one guitarist, or duel vocal tracks? It's the same thing here kids..no difference...the final product is what counts, not the process. I use photoshop in various ways...adjustment of contrast...removal of a zit..etc...and even blatantly with my more bizarre and absurd photographs. Who cares? Obviously those who collect, publish and exhibit my work do not care, as they too understand that the photograph presented for its posterity is all that matters.

for what its worth and great post Lin, I enjoy your blog and thoughts.
bt

Saturday, June 09, 2007 2:09:00 PM  
Blogger Saintz said...

Here here BT.

and also to you Lin as I commented on Iksodas blog.

Lin, can you name some of the better forums that you mention. I'd like to contribute not lurk.

Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:35:00 AM  
Blogger Lin said...

Mark

Well, there's MM of course, but I don't go there much nowadays. I spend most of my time on the web-models.co.uk forums, but that is for UK photographers, so I regret that this wouldn't be of much use.
Plus of course there's lots of correspondence off-blog zipping back between all the regular commentators and bloggers here. I really love getting emails (it's my day job too!)

Good replies folks. Very interesting topic!

Grommit, am repeating on an hourly basis....and yet....

Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Grommit said...

In the words of the great Mr Miyagi, "wax on, wax off, wax on, wax off" repeat till it comes without thought. ;-)

Beauty is as beauty does. Be happy & proud.

Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:31:00 PM  

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