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Friday, January 04, 2008

Lighting Wars

Today I want to ask a question that almost certainly does not have a simple answer.

Is it ethical to copy a photographer’s lighting technique?

I propose that the answer to this is not clear cut. A lot will depend on whether the photographer says you can. And most of them do not give this permission.

Not all photographers are secretive about their lighting, of course. Jimmy D often gives free advice and bloggie-tuition about how a particular shot was set up, and the specific lighting involved. Marcus Ranum also makes no secret about how he does specific shots, and I think he even provides occasional tutorials as to how it is done. IMO, this is marvellous, and incredibly kind and generous of these artists. They are sharing their wisdom with the world, they are teaching, simply out of kindness and for the pleasure of helping amateurs who are trying to learn.

But what about other circumstances which apply to most photographers? What about for the majority of images, when a photographer spends a lot of time and effort setting up a particular shot for his own artistic purposes? Is it O.K. to copy the photographer’s lighting in that instance?

Of course, most photographers want to protect their image, protect their copyright, and their art. But just as you can’t copyright an idea or claim a specific pose as just your own, in a similar way you can’t patent or protect a specific lighting technique. Someone, somewhere will copy your lighting. It may not be ethical, but there’s bugger-all you can do to prevent it.

It makes Rich feel rather flattered when folks try to copy his lighting, but occasionally it makes him pretty mad too. “They can try, ” is the usual dry comment, when we spot a fine art nude image which has virtually the same pose, and similar lighting. I’ve no idea if this happens in the rest of the world, but I must admit this happens a lot in the UK, especially on Web-Models. Rich has taken to not posting his best work on there because he gets so annoyed about it. If he designs a new lighting idea, shoots it and uploads an image, then I can absolutely guarantee that within 3 days there will be a whole range of copycat shots pop-up on there. But the copycat images are always poor imitations because no-one can get the lighting right. I guess there’s some satisfaction in that, but Rich still gets very irritated that there is always a rush of photocopying, as everyone frantically tries to out-do him. Web-Models is becoming a kind of fine-art pissing contest, where everyone tries to prove they can do the same thing.

Those poor souls who try to rip off his lighting have no chance in hell of course. His lighting set-up is NOT simple. There are all sorts of lights absolutely everywhere. It’s like Blackpool Illuminations up in the studio sometimes.

“Turn towards the big light,” he said to me today, when I was in eight inch fetish heels, blind as a bat, unable to balance, and trussed up like a chicken (yes, I’m well enough to start suffering for my art again…finished photos will no doubt be forthcoming eventually.)

“Ummm…” The problem was that through the clingy material over my eyes, I couldn’t see a bloody thing, and they all looked like big blurry lights to the blindfolded wobbly model. (Sometimes it’s easier for him to just pick me up and move me like a Barbie doll.) His lighting appears (to me) to be very complicated, but I guess that’s why his photographs work.

Really good photographers develop their own lighting styles over a long time. They experiment, they practise, and if they are talented, they might get very good at it. Good enough to call that lighting arrangement their own, good enough to become emotionally attached to it, good enough for it to hurt when someone else steals it.

After all, in a photograph, everything is about the lighting. Illumination is THE art-form, and it reflects the uniqueness of the artist who created it.

So to all you wannabe’s out there, yes I know you become good at photography by studying the best, and by copying those photographers whose images you admire. We understand you have to practise, and part of the training is to copy lighting set-ups that are better than yours.

Just don’t go and claim the lighting as your own idea, O.K.?
Don’t then go out and call yourself a photographer and sell the images elsewhere.

It’s not nice.

It’s not polite.

And it’s certainly not YOUR art.



An image of me from a few months ago - included only because Orixx told me to:-)

Technical disclaimer: Any resemblance of the lighting arrangement in this image to that designed by any other photographer, living or dead, is purely co-incidental and was not intended by this photographer, i.e. he thought he designed this lighting set-up. Although no doubt it's been done before, and probably better too.

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9 Comments:

Blogger jimmyd said...

There are no lighting secrets of the pros or lighting secrets in general.

It's all been done and no one is inventing any new lighting styles.

We're all intentional or unintentional lighting plagiarists--pros and hobbyists alike--whether we like to admit it or not.

The differences are in those who who apply those many lighting styles to a given environment or to create a mood or a feeling and they do it effectively and in situations where that style is less seen and less applied.

There's more to photography than lighting.

It's when all the elements come together flawlessly, artistically, and with impact--lighting, composition, and so much more--that makes the elements of a photo seem new or rarely seen.

Friday, January 04, 2008 8:33:00 PM  
Blogger Saintz said...

Fantastic image Lin and Richard. One of your best ever in my opinion.

Regarding the lighting thing. A good old/new saying

"paranoia, it'll destroy ya"

If you think people are stealing your lighting techniques just be flattered.

Of course I can say this because usually one hardware shop halogen is my huge studio set up.

Friday, January 04, 2008 8:59:00 PM  
Blogger Lin said...

Thanks for the wisdom Jimmy. All true of course. And that's why they call you the spiritual guru of the nude photography world.

I feel very small now.

Friday, January 04, 2008 9:04:00 PM  
Blogger bt said...

Lin,

Saintz pretty much wraps it up. Its all been done lighting wise...what is being done today..was done yesterday period. Lighting techniques are featured in so many books..nothing is new..SIMPLY USE LIGHTING TO ILLUMINATE YOUR VISION. There are no magic new lighting styles..only new original photographic ideas....lighting simply helps convey the idea in the style that the photographer prefers.

When I am ask about lighting..I recommend the book "Lighting the Nude" by Alex Larg. Many Great examples, and great photos. I lend my copy out all of the time.

Mapplethorp said (Pharaphrased) that he lights and photographes the penis just like he lights and photographs a flower. Both are subjects...its a simple as that.

Lighting is important...but its not everything.

Great images as always..keep rocking.

bt

Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:21:00 AM  
Blogger Ed Verosky said...

I can understand the frustration if you regularly see imitations of a work days after it's posted.

I haven't seen the examples, but if something is very obviously different, and very obviously being imitated without credit, that can be a pain.

I wrote a post awhile back about my attempts to recreate the look of Edward Weston's "Pepper #30." Naturally, I credited him as the inspiration. Perhaps that would be fair with regard to these copycats.

Paranoia? Real copycats? I don't know. But you can't let it get to you and you must keep doing without regard to how others will respond.

Keep making and sharing good photos, Richard.

Ed Verosky

Saturday, January 05, 2008 5:21:00 AM  
Blogger Iksodas said...

If it's all been done before..

why bother doing it, and calling it art? The paint by numbers people, I am quite convinced believe they are producing art, but, they tend to be sincere enough to state they are producing a facsimile of others.

yes, art is about vision..
but if you are knowingly going from other's techniques, and styles, not adding to, but just regurgitating what you have learned from others, then you have a pile of vomit, and not much more.

And who wants to look at a picture of puke?

Saturday, January 05, 2008 5:00:00 PM  
Blogger bt said...

Mr. Iksodas has a good point...and a simple search on Ebay under Art Photographic Images Nude will yield an abundant sampling of generic "art nude" photography. And the going price for these pieces reflects their generic quality....does that mean they are bad photographs?..no not at all...just generic in style and appearance. These are not my words...they are the words of a collector friend of mine that I respect greatly. And he knows a hell of a lot more about Photographic Art than any of us does. If that is not enough evidence to support the generic use of lighting and techniques and ideas..check out Model Mayhem for a few hours. A plethora of generic "art nudes" and "erotic imagery" can be found. Mind you....many many GREAT photos...but generic. Although I am not remotely qualified to, nor would I ever refer to anyone's art as "puke" or "vomit" (are we so arrogant to assume superiority over others work and uniquely qualified to judge as such?..is this a sporting event?...a contest?..do we assume absolute definitive definition over good and bad or relevant art?)...taste alone dictates..and does anyone dictate a taste standard? Sure..we all have preferences...but they are just that..none right..nor wrong. And yes..I have seen enough generic photographs to make me PUKE…but I would never refer to anyones work as puke..

Its all been done before...yes..it has...my photography style has....Mr Iksodas style has...Richards style has (I could go on for hours). None of us are doing anything new or unique. I could pull up countless examples to support this for all of us (refer to Ebay and Model Mayhem for starters.)...does that mean Mr. Iksodas or Richard does "poor" work? ...ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! They both are wonderful photographers...and should be proud of their work respectively. But come on kids..do we really think we are doing work THAT significant that it warrants a proprietary claim on lighting and/or photographic style? This is pure poppycock...and trust me when I say that the ones who are really making an impact out there photographically worry not about this...so why should we? I don't know a single photograph collector that collects "styles" and "lighting technique", nor have I seen sections in Museums devoted to Lighting Technique or Photographic Styles. Maybe I am missing a whole new art market...but quite frankly..I would HATE for someone to collect my work because they like my technique (or lighting style).....love or hate the photo..that's the bottom line..technique, medium, lighting....its all seasoning to a photographic idea.

I tend to listen to and learn from those that did..as opposed to those that wish they did. Man Ray is one of the greatest..if not the greatest photographer of all time. Here is a great Man Ray quote.

"Of course, there will always be those who look only at technique, who ask 'how', while others of a more curious nature will ask 'why'. Personally, I have always preferred inspiration to information."
~Man Ray

I agree with Man Ray..."Why" is more important than "how" in my book. Perhaps those so hung up on “how” do not understand the “why”? Just wondering.

I would suggest a review of the Erotic Signature Book Winners. There we will find a fantastic photographic amagamation of lighting and ideas from some of the top photographers from around the world. But none of their styles or technique it is new...it is simply used in way to illuminate their photographers ideas. But I guess perhaps that I lack some profound understanding, I must be vastly inferior to the photographic elitist of today that think after
almost 190 years of photography...and perhaps hundreds of million photographers proceeding us....that we all of a sudden have developed some unique..and original use of light and technique that has never been used before, and therefore lay proprietary claim to its usage.

God..just think...3 simple chords on a guitar, add drums and bass and vocals....BOOM...one rock and roll song..and the rest are plagiarized!!! Next music style please?... This could go on..and on...and on....

Along these ideas…We are finishing up with the Jury process for the Dirty Show...we are choosing photographs that WE LIKE....no other basis than that..no critique on style...technique...print medium....etc. In our opinion, the best photographs make the show. Yes…its all subjective even at this level.

Ahh...what do I know...

Please forgive any misspelling, I lack the trait of perfection.

bt

Saturday, January 05, 2008 10:10:00 PM  
Blogger Iris Dassault said...

I personally like the approach of a photographer I work with most often - Jim Young. He has many years of experience. He doesn't look at what anybody else is shooting or anybody else's images. Just does his own thing, and does it the way he sees best fit for himself. He doesn't care what others do, doesn't try to copy other peoples work and doesn't look around to see if his work is being copied. It works well for him as he mostly spends his energy on creating and improving his own work.

I would bet a good chunk of money on the fact that similar images are being created all over the world as we speak. The internet may not necessarily be the tool that causes people to "steal", but just the tool to showcase the fact that people all over the world are indeed creating similar work. Unless you add some pretty unique elements to a photo, and I personally don't think a pose counts as such an element, odds are pretty good that somebody else on this planet had the same approach, style and technique to shooting it - completely independantly and accidentally.

Does that matter?.. I really don't think so...Ultimately..the cream will always rise to the top.

So keep up the good work, and keep moving forward!!!

Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:50:00 AM  
Blogger Orixx said...

I agree with Iksodas. And I think that picture is gorgeous!

Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:24:00 PM  

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